KAIJU CONVERSATIONS:
An Interview
with Akira Kubo
Conducted
by David Milner and Guy Mariner Tucker
Translation
by Yohihiko Shibata
Conducted in December 1995
Born on December 1, 1936 in Tokyo, Akira Kubo made his
acting debut in 1952 for director Seiji Maruyama, but he is best known as
Tetsui Teri, the inventor in GODZILLA VS. MONSTER ZERO (1965), Goro Maki,
the reporter in SON OF GODZILLA (1967), and Katsuo Yamabe, the captain of
the Moonlight SY-3 spaceship in DESTROY ALL MONSTERS (1968). However, he
also appears in SOUND OF THE WAVES (1954), WESTWARD DESPERADO (1960), GAMERA
- THE GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE (1995), annd a large number of other films.
David Milner: Is it true that you
have been acting since you were a child?
Akira Kubo: I've been acting since I was eleven years old. A very
famous radio program entitled THE HILL FROM WHICH THE BELL TOLLS was broadcast
right after the end of World War II. It told a very heartwarming story about
children who had been orphaned by the war. The program was so popular that
a play based on it was produced. I played one of the orphans in the stage
production. I was told that I didn't look like an orphan, so I was given
a very small role when the play ran in Tokyo. However, I was given one of
the leading roles when the play ran in rural areas. A film based on
the play was produced in 1948. It was directed by Ko Sasaki. (Mr. Sasaki
also directed RUMBA OF PASSION (1951), THE LAST BOSS (1963), and many other
movies.) Keiji Sada was given the leading role, and I again played one of
the orphans. (Mr. Sada is best known as Goto, the man who marries the daughter
of the widow in LATE AUTUMN (1960), and Koichi Hirayama, the son of the man
who convinces his daughter that she should marry in AN AUTUMN AFTERNOON (1962).)
Guy Tucker: Have you taken any acting classes?
AK: No. I worked on some stage productions in school, but I haven't had any
professional training.
DM: Akira Kurosawa originally was not going to direct THE THRONE OF BLOOD
(1957). Do you know who was? (Mr. Kurosawa also directed SANSHIRO SUGATA
(1943), SEVEN SAMURAI (1954), NOT YET READY (1993), and a large number of
other films.)
AK: I never before have heard that. I would guess that Mr. Kurosawa's chief
assistant director, Hiromichi Horikawa, originally was going to direct the
movie.
DM: Mr. Kurosawa once said that he very much enjoyed working on SANJURO (1962).
Was the mood on the set of that film any different from the mood on the set
of THE THRONE OF BLOOD? (Mr. Horikawa originally was going to direct SANJURO.)
AK: The movies Mr. Kurosawa directed before 1961 weren't very successful
because they were too artistic. So, Mr. Kurosawa's reputation among film
studio executives was not a very good one. In 1961, Mr. Kurosawa decided
to make a simple, but still profound, movie. That's why YOJIMBO (1961) and
SANJURO are so different from his earlier films. (SANJURO is a sequel to
YOJIMBO.) When we were working on THE THRONE OF BLOOD, Mr. Kurosawa
behaved the way that I'd imagined he would. He was very forceful, and he
took his work very seriously. However, when we were working on SANJURO, Mr.
Kurosawa behaved very differently. He was very warm and friendly. So, the
mood on the set of SANJURO was very different from the mood on the set of
THE THRONE OF BLOOD.
GT: Was working with Mr. Kurosawa different from working with other directors
in any way?
AK: Mr. Kurosawa is very different from other directors. Most directors spend
only a short period of time in rehearsal, but Mr. Kurosawa spends a large
amount of time in rehearsal.
We spent an entire month rehearsing for SANJURO. Mr. Kurosawa insisted that
we wear kimonos and real swords - the very heavy metal ones - during rehearsals.
We gradually got used to wearing the kimonos and the swords. We also gradually
got used to saying our lines. I remember that in SANJURO, Mr. Kurosawa
wanted to present an image of samurai that was very different from the stereotypical
one. He also wanted there to be a clear contrast between Sanjuro Tsubaki
and the younger samurai in the movie. (Sanjuro Tsubaki is played by Toshiro
Mifune. In THE THRONE OF BLOOD, Mr. Mifune plays Taketoki Washizu, the samurai
who murders his superiors in order to gain their power.)
DM: What was working with Mr. Mifune like? (He is best known as Kikuchiyo,
one of the samurai in SEVEN SAMURAI.)
AK: Mr. Mifune is a very fine man. He is very honest. Mr. Mifune treated
me as an equal. He wasn't at all pretentious. Mr. Mifune, like Mr.
Kurosawa, took his work very seriously. He sometimes would become a little
nervous about it.
GT: How long did it take to shoot THE THREE TREASURES (1959)? (The running
time of the film is one hundred and eighty- two minutes.)
AK: I don't know how long it took to shoot the entire movie, but I spent
one week working on it. (Mr. Kubo has a very small role in the film.)
DM: What was working with Hiroshi Inagaki like? (Mr. Inagaki directed THE
THREE TREASURES. He also directed THE WANDERING GAMBLER (1928), FORGOTTEN
CHILDREN (1949), UNDER THE BANNER OF SAMURAI (1969), and many other movies.)
AK: Mr. Inagaki was very friendly. He also was very tactful with me and the
other less experienced actors. I worked on CHUSHINGURA (1962) and
a few ninja films with Mr. Inagaki. I also worked on TEMPEST (1956) with
him. It was based on a novel by Toson Shimazaki.
DM: The scope of GORATH (1962) is much broader than that of all of the other
science fiction movies in which you appear. Was the mood on the set of that
film any different from the mood on the sets of the other science fiction
movies on which you worked because of this?
AK: I was very well aware of the broad scope of GORATH while I was working
on it. I think more money was spent on the production of that movie than
was spent on the production of any of the other science fiction films on
which I worked. However, I and the other actors who worked on GORATH always
tried to do our best, so I wouldn't say that the mood on the set of the movie
was any different from the mood on the set of the other science fiction films
on which I worked.
GT: Did it take the makeup artists who worked on ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM PEOPLE
(1963) very long to do their work?
AK: They did spend a large amount of time doing their work. I like
ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM PEOPLE very much. I think the drama, rather than the
special effects or the makeup, is what makes it entertaining. Fans who are
in their mid-thirties always tell me that when they were children, they became
terrified of eating mushrooms after they saw the movie. I very much
enjoyed working on ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM PEOPLE. I remember that Mr. Honda
spent a long period of time explaining what the film was really about. (Ishiro
Honda directed ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM PEOPLE. He also directed GORATH, GODZILLA
VS. MONSTER ZERO, YOG - MONSTER FROM SPACE, and a large number of other science
fiction movies.) There were many American soldiers in Japan during the Vietnam
War. Almost every one of them who ran into me said, "I know you!" I would
always ask in which film they'd seen me, and they always would say that it
was ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM PEOPLE.
DM: What was working with Hiroshi Tachikawa like? (Mr. Tachikawa plays one
of the young samurai in SANJURO, a member of the crew of the J-X Eagle spaceship
in GORATH, and Etsuro Yoshida, the mystery writer, in ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM
PEOPLE.)
AK: Mr. Tachikawa was a member of Shingeki. He often performed at the Haiyuza
Theater in Tokyo. (The Toho Company Ltd. is Japan's largest movie studio.
Shingeki is its stage division.)
Mr. Tachikawa is more suited for works that are set in the present than period
pieces. His image is one of a very sophisticated man.
DM: What was working with Nick Adams like? (Mr. Adams plays Glenn, the American
astronaut, in GODZILLA VS. MONSTER ZERO.)
AK: Mr. Adams was a man full of Yankee spirit. He was very outgoing. I very
much enjoyed working with Mr. Adams. He would do very funny things like disguise
himself as James Cagney. When Mr. Adams left Japan, he gave me his suit as
a gift.
DM: Do you know why Mr. Adams did that?
AK: The suit fitted me.
GT: Was working with the full-scale model of one of the legs of Spiga very
difficult? (Spiga is the giant spider seen in SON OF GODZILLA and DESTROY
ALL MONSTERS in new footage and GODZILLA'S REVENGE (1969) in stock footage.)
AK: Is Spiga in SON OF GODZILLA?
GT: Yes.
AK: My memories of Spiga are a little vague.
GT: Is it true that Yoshio Tsuchiya and Kenji Sahara switched roles shortly
before production on YOG - MONSTER FROM SPACE (1970) got underway because
Mr. Tsuchiya wanted to surprise genre fans by having someone else play the
malevolent character? (Mr. Tsuchiya, who plays such characters in BATTLE
IN OUTER SPACE (1959), SON OF GODZILLA, and a number of Toho's other science
fiction films, plays Dr. Kyoichi Miya, a paleontologist, in YOG - MONSTER
FROM SPACE. Mr. Sahara plays Makoto Obata, an industrial spy whose body is
taken over by aliens from outer space.)
AK: That's probably true.
DM: Where was YOG - MONSTER FROM SPACE shot?
AK: We went to Guam to shoot the movie.
DM: A number of the other science fiction films in which you appear are set
on tropical islands. Where were they shot?
AK: Hachijo Island, Izu, or Gotemba, which is located right next to Mt. Fuji.
DM: Did you go to visit the special effects sets of GORATH, GODZILLA VS.
MONSTER ZERO, YOG - MONSTER FROM SPACE, and so on?
AK: I did not have much of an opportunity to visit the special effects sets.
I always was too busy working on the standard ones. However, during the production
of GORATH, I and some of the other actors had to go to the special effects
set to shoot some scenes. While I was there, I discovered that the members
of the special effects staff had to have a great deal of patience. I was
amazed by how long it took to set up a shot that would last for only a few
seconds.
DM: What was working with Mr. Sahara like? (He is best known as Kazuo Fujita,
the inventor in KING KONG VS. GODZILLA (1962), and Jiro Torahata, the entrepreneur
in GODZILLA VS. MOTHRA (1964).)
AK: Mr. Sahara called me Kubo-chan even though I'd been working as an actor
for a longer period of time. (Chan is used to indicate that the person being
referred to is a child. It also is used as an expression of affection by
adults who are good friends with each other.) He used Tadashi Ishihara as
his stage name until 1956. The Japanese character for Tadashi can also be
read as Chu, so I called Mr. Sahara Chu-san for a while. I afterward called
him Ken-bo, which means boy Ken. Even now I call him Ken-bo, and he calls
me Kubo-chan. (San, which is used to show respect, can be attached to a person's
first or last name.)
DM: What was working with Mr. Tsuchiya like? (He is best known as the controller
of Planet X in GODZILLA VS. MONSTER ZERO and Dr. Otani, one of the people
who are controlled by aliens from outer space in DESTROY ALL MONSTERS.)
AK: Mr. Tsuchiya and I were very close friends, even though he was older
than me. Mr. Tsuchiya is a very good flamenco guitarist. I was amazed
when I saw him perform on television. I started playing the guitar because
I was so inspired by him, but I did not play flamenco music. I don't play
anymore.
DM: What was working with Mr. Honda like?
AK: There are two types of directors. Some, like Mr. Inagaki, just sit in
their chairs and have the assistant directors interact with the members of
the cast. Others, like Mr. Kurosawa, walk around and directly interact with
the members of the cast. Mr. Honda had characteristics of both types of directors.
When he felt he needed to give instructions to the actors, he would do so
himself. However, he sometimes would just sit in his chair and watch the
actors do their work. Mr. Honda was a gentleman. He never got angry.
He always was calm. I recognized Mr. Honda's touch when I saw RHAPSODY
IN AUGUST (1991). I think the movie strikes a balance between the styles
of Mr. Kurosawa and Mr. Honda. (Mr. Kurosawa directed the film. Mr. Honda
worked on it as a creative consultant.)
DM: What was working with Jun Fukuda like? (Mr. Fukuda directed SON OF GODZILLA.
He also directed THE SECRET OF THE TELEGIAN (1960), GODZILLA VS. THE SEA
MONSTER (1966), GODZILLA VS. MECHAGODZILLA (1974), and a number of other
science fiction movies.)
AK: The manner in which Mr. Fukuda worked was very different from the one
in which Mr. Kurosawa worked. Mr. Fukuda gave the actors a great deal of
freedom.
GT: Was Mr. Fukuda any more or less enthusiastic about making monster films
than Mr. Honda?
AK: I think he was equally enthusiastic about making them. All directors
always try to do their best. The kind of movie on which they are working
does not matter. Directors are limited by the size of the production budget
and the amount of time that they have to shoot a film, but they always try
to do their best within those constraints.
DM: With which of the other actors who worked on the science fiction movies
produced by Toho during the 1960s did you most enjoy working?
AK: Mr. Tsuchiya. Working with him always was very enjoyable. Mr. Tsuchiya
often would do very funny things during rehearsals. All of the members of
the staff and cast would laugh at his jokes. Mr. Tsuchiya would become very
serious when shooting began, but that also was very funny.
GT: Did you or any of the other actors who worked on the science fiction
films produced by Toho during the 1960s ever grow tired of working on them?
AK: No. We never grew tired of working on them. Even Mr. Sahara, who worked
on more of the movies than any of the other actors, never grew tired of working
on them. It is a joy to me that children whose parents are in their
thirties or forties become aware that I am in some of the Godzilla films
when they see them on VHS tape or laserdisc. Children often point and say,
"Hey, it's Uncle Godzilla!" when they see me. It's very heartwarming.
GT: Were actors reluctant to work on science fiction movies back in the 1960s?
AK: I know that some were, but I can't think of anyone in particular. Science
fiction films were considered second-rate, so some actors did not want to
work on them. I still receive fan letters from overseas. GODZILLA
VS. MONSTER ZERO, DESTROY ALL MONSTERS, and so on are mentioned in every
one of them. So, I am glad that I worked on some of the Godzilla movies.
DM: Were you ever a member of Toho Geino? (It is an organization of actors
who work for Toho.)
AK: No. I never belonged to that organization. I know that Tadao Takashima
and Yasuko Sawaguchi are members. (Ms. Sawaguchi is best known as Naoko Okumura,
the woman who takes part in conducting research which leads to the discovery
that Godzilla can be lured with a sound simulating the chirping of birds
in GODZILLA 1985 (1984). Mr. Takashima is best known as Shu Sakurai, the
leader of the expedition to Farou Island in KING KONG VS. GODZILLA, and Dr.
Kusumi, the leader of the scientific research team in SON OF GODZILLA.)
DM: How did you come to appear in GAMERA - THE GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE?
(It, like the eight earlier Gamera films, was produced by the Daiei Company
Ltd.)
AK: I think that either the director and the producer, or the casting director,
wanted to show a familiar face from the Godzilla series and a familiar face
from the Gamera series together in one scene. (Kojiro Hongo, who is best
known as Kasuke, one of the fortune hunters in GAMERA VS. BARUGON (1966),
Shiro Tsutsumi, the engineer in GAMERA VS. GAOS (1967), and Nobuhiko Shimada,
the scoutmaster in DESTROY ALL PLANETS (1968), also appears in the movie.)
DM: What was working with Shusuke Kaneko like? (Mr. Kaneko directed GAMERA
- THE GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE.)
AK: I couldn't tell much about Mr. Kaneko because I worked on only one scene.
However, I sensed that he was very enthusiastic. In addition, I felt that
he took his work very seriously.
DM: Have the science fiction films on which you have worked been very successful?
AK: I'm an actor and not a studio executive, so I don't know how successful
they have been. However, I do know that the Godzilla movies have been more
successful than any of the other science fiction films that have been produced
in Japan. The only exception to this that I can think of is MOTHRA (1961).
It did very well. It still is very popular, even among young people.
DM: Why do you think that is?
AK: I think the songs in the movie make it popular.
GT: Is it difficult to react to giant monsters that aren't really there?
AK: It is difficult, but actors who appear in giant monster films must make
the people who see the movies believe that the monsters exist. So, the actors
must use their abilities to show that they are frightened by the monsters.
GT: How long before the films on which you work go into production are you
given copies of the scripts for them?
AK: Usually two to four weeks. It is not possible for Japanese actors
to make enough to live on for the rest of their lives by only working on
a few movies. We have to keep working. I remember that in one year, I worked
on twelve films. The Japanese movie industry was producing two films per
week at the time.
GT: In what year did you work on twelve movies?
AK: 1960.
DM: Do you do much improvisation while you are working on films?
AK: Yes. I do. I've heard that American actors are not allowed to
do much improvisation. I've been told that American movie studios employ
dialogue directors to make sure the actors say the lines that they're supposed
to say. Japanese studios don't do that. Japanese actors are given a great
deal of freedom. We are allowed to improvise.
DM: Have you worked on any television series?
AK: Toho used to have a television studio. I worked on a large number of
shows in the studio. I also worked on many of the episodes of ADVISOR MITO,
a television series about samurai that was produced by Toei. (The Toei Company
Ltd. also produced THE MAGIC SERPENT (1966) and LEGEND OF THE DINOSAURS (1977).)
I usually played a villain in the series. (It was broadcast during the late
1970s.)
DM: How was working on television shows different from working on films?
AK: The schedule was very tight. A scene would be redone only if one of the
actors had made a mistake.
DM: Have you done any stage work?
AK: I mainly have been working on the stage for the past ten years. However,
I did work on Kon Ichikawa's version of CHUSHINGURA (1994) last year. (Mr.
Ichikawa also directed THE BURMESE HARP (1956), MAKIOKA SISTERS (1983), and
a large number of other movies.)
GT: Do you most enjoy working on films, television series, or plays?
AK: I enjoy working on all three. Each offers actors unique means of expressing
themselves. However, since I have been working on movies the longest, I would
have to say that I most enjoy working on them.
DM: Which of the films in which you appear are your favorites?
AK: SOUND OF THE WAVES, which is based on a novel by Yukio Mishima. I'm very
fond of that movie. I also like the science fiction films on which I've worked.
Many people recognize me from them.
DM: Which of your roles were most enjoyable for you?
AK: I can't choose any particular roles. I enjoyed all of them. I think it's
very important for an actor to be able to enjoy playing many different kinds
of characters.
DM: Which of your roles were most challenging for you?
AK: I, like all of the other members of my generation, had a great deal of
admiration for soldiers when I was young. So, playing them has been very
challenging for me. (ADMIRAL YAMAMOTO (1968) and BATTLE OF THE JAPAN SEA
(1969) are among the war movies in which Mr. Kubo appears.)
DM: Do you find working on period pieces very challenging?
AK: I sometimes would pretend that I was a samurai when I was a child. So,
working on period pieces is very enjoyable, and very challenging, for me.
GT: Are there any American actors whom you especially admire?
AK: Jack Lemmon. I at one time very much admired the lifestyle of Jack Lemmon's
character in THE APARTMENT (1960).
DM: Are you currently working?
AK: I now am appearing in a show that is playing at the Shinjuku Koma Theater.
It's a special kind of theater. The show features a very famous singer playing
a heroine.
DM: Are you going to work on any more films in the near future?
AK: I soon will begin working on one called VIRGIN ROAD. It's not going to
be shown in theaters. It's just going to be used for educational purposes.
GT: What will it be about?
AK: It will be about a bride. I'm going to play the father of the bride.
DM: How do you feel about TriStar Pictures producing a Godzilla movie in
the United States?
AK: I'm glad that a Godzilla film is going to be produced in the United States.
I certainly would accept an offer to be in the movie.
Akira Kubo Interview ©
1995, 2005 David Milner and Guy Mariner Tucker. Used with permission of the
authors.
Format © 2005 Daikaiju Publishing.